The Process Behind Magic

[Sebbi]

WHAT THORA SAID, WHAT THORA SAID!

That's very close to what I was getting at.

That's what I mean by we focus on different aspects of magic - if magic is a process of transforming energy from one form to another, then a lot of things are magical and there are many ways one can go about it.

One way would be spellwork, one would be hard work. Both are legitimate ways of achieving the same goal.

I'm realising it's quite hard to not to imply that spellwork is laziness, that's not the intention if anyone's taking it that way.

Much Love
Sebbi

[Anonymous]

<takes a bow>

I'm realising it's quite hard to not to imply that spellwork is laziness, that's not the intention if anyone's taking it that way.

LOL!!!

Though to be honest, sometimes it feels like laziness! j/k

[Anonymous]

I think this article may help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality

.:. Sewa Yoleme

I'm going to look over that. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps thinking of it this way will help. ( and perhaps not)The ground matrix of the universe is a field of probabilities. Some events, states, outcomes are far more likely than others, but there is uncertainty inherent in the system. All manifest phenomena are simply the standing waves in the probability field of the universe. Conciousness, intent, the act of interacting, measuring, or observing, collapses or crystallizes the probability field into a fixed state - it creates a node or standing wave. Once you have measured, observed, or otherwise interacted with the field in this way, you can't then un-interact with it - you have fixed the properties. Prior to collapsing the field, the outcome is uncertain  - the properties and the form of the standing wave are still indeterminate. This is, in my opinion, one of the reasons that magic works. You can, through focused concious intent, influence the way in which the standing wave manifests.

That sounds very similar the theories of quantum physics I've heard.

[Anonymous]

WHAT THORA SAID, WHAT THORA SAID!

That's very close to what I was getting at.

That's what I mean by we focus on different aspects of magic - if magic is a process of transforming energy from one form to another, then a lot of things are magical and there are many ways one can go about it.

One way would be spellwork, one would be hard work. Both are legitimate ways of achieving the same goal.

I'm realising it's quite hard to not to imply that spellwork is laziness, that's not the intention if anyone's taking it that way.

Much Love
Sebbi

My definition restricts magic to only these changes made by pure will. This process occuring 'naturally' (of its own accord), by my definition, isn't magic. That's where our definitions differ, though we seem to be defining the same overall process, just with a different set of limitations on the exact definition.

Would you be interested in hearing my theory on the process behind this change? I can only call it a theory, as it is merely an interpretation of what I've experienced.

[Anonymous]

I would be interested in hearing your theory.

Yes, I might agree with you about your definition, but I think there are so many natural things that are magical. But yes, it does seem that the three of us are describing the same overall process. But then again, if you look at it generally, all descriptions of a process are the same.  :wink:

[Jennie]

Well, I certainly hope so...I've never believed that you have to choose between science and magic.
Jennie

[Anonymous]

Well, I certainly hope so...I've never believed that you have to choose between science and magic.
Jennie

I don't believe we have to choose between science and religion. The things I believe are either in agreement with science, or aren't within the realms of science, and haven't been disproven (and therefore could be theoretically possible). Anyway, I don't think I believe anything that contradicts established science.

[Anonymous]

I would be interested in hearing your theory.

Yes, I might agree with you about your definition, but I think there are so many natural things that are magical. But yes, it does seem that the three of us are describing the same overall process. But then again, if you look at it generally, all descriptions of a process are the same.  :wink:

This is a theory I've put a lot of thought into. I believe life exists on two levels, the physical and the ethereal. I see the mind as split into the conscious and subconscious, the conscious being aware of the physical, and the subconscious being aware of the etheal. I also believe that the energy used in the process of magic exists ethereally, emanating from and surrounding the spirit.

It's important that I describe these ideas in order to explain the full process as I see it. As the subconscious mind deals with the ethereal, and we consciously think in the physical, it requires concentration to allow you to control the subconscious from the conscious. It's through this connection of the conscious to subconscious that we manipulate and direct the energy.

It's through the connection between the ethereal realm and the physical that the change occurs. Just as our physical activities affect the energies on the ethereal realm, energies on the ethereal realm affect the physical.

Anyway, that's my theory. It makes sense to me, and it's based on what I've experienced myself.

[Anonymous]

Hmm...very similar to the idea of Younger Self and Talking Self that I am familiar with...I'm going to give it more thought and come back and edit this. This is more of a place-holder for my thoughts...I can edit my posts here, right? crap, i dont know. <copies all text....hits back button and checks> oh good, i can! anyway, ill be back to continue this thought after ive given it more consideration.

edited to say: before i forget, have you read "The Spiral Dace" by Starhawk?

[Anonymous]

edited to say: before i forget, have you read "The Spiral Dace" by Starhawk?

No. Would you, personally, recommend it?

[Anonymous]

I would actually. Some parts may be a tad beginner-ish, but it does present some interesting views. Required reading in my neck of the woods. I'm reading it for the second time now, actually, and its definitly one of those ones that you can go deeper into every time you read it.

<notices above post and groans> sorry, forgot all about that...I got swept into planning a 78+ placement tarot spread (multiple decks, of course)...I'll get to that post soon.

[Zenon]

Magic is the act of manipulating physical, etheric, astral planes to force a change on probabilities - that is, to cause things to happen in accord to your will.  It is also the manipulation of auric or etheric energies with the intent to cause a change on a person's aura, or the person's will.

The difference between High and Low Magic lies in the intent.  Magic can be used for self-perfection and divine consciousness, or it can be used for mundane acheivement.

It is, like Sebbi put it, "what Thora said" - manipulating and changing one thing into another.

You can change yourself into something better, change your future into success, you can use it to communicate good energy to a concert audience as in Sebbi's example (that way you can change people's vibration, at least for a little while), or you can change a healthy/sick person into a healthy/sick person.

It is a double-edged sword.  It's amazing how many things you do to create something good can also be used to harm or do "bad" things.  Of course, take into account the laws of karma - every action elicits a reaction.

That is why correct magical training is so important.

[Zenon]

It's important that I describe these ideas in order to explain the full process as I see it. As the subconscious mind deals with the ethereal, and we consciously think in the physical, it requires concentration to allow you to control the subconscious from the conscious. It's through this connection of the conscious to subconscious that we manipulate and direct the energy.

It's through the connection between the ethereal realm and the physical that the change occurs. Just as our physical activities affect the energies on the ethereal realm, energies on the ethereal realm affect the physical.

Anyway, that's my theory. It makes sense to me, and it's based on what I've experienced myself.

Read "The Book of Results" by Ray Sherwin  as soon as you can.